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Questions As To The Nature Of The Soul

Posted by Michael Jon Kell on August 21, 2018 at 10:27am

Hello, F & A, hope everyone is studying. 

I will provide my speculative answer later, so here are some very thought provoking questions in the spirit of our Fr Jules:

Can an immortal soul intentionally commit evil (if it is an truly begotten by God)?

Can a R+C soul-personality (a soul seed under development) commit intentionally evil deeds)?

What is a R+C soul-personality in your own understanding (the last is a freebie)

Ciao, Michael

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  • Michael Jon Kell September 1, 2018 at 5:05pm

    Dr Ray,  Christ is a reality as an incarnation of the Divine  which I do not need as a belief.  Though, I respect Paul very much for his mind and dedication, I do not believe he was always correct about Christ nor did the later fathers necessarily chose the proper explanation. Plus, the Gospels are missing much of the humanity of Christ in my opinion.

    You and I have both been with God and we do not even agree in all things.  I think this is amazing and inspiriing.

    Best, your friend Michael

  • Michael Jon Kell September 1, 2018 at 2:49pm

    I have no beliefs, i do favor ratinale models to guide us. The physical world is straightforward  but our conjoint mind is not as it is created by all of us without any consistency. Even, stable mystics cannot agree. Ciao

  • Jules Rensch September 1, 2018 at 1:43pm

    Got it...one or more realms, one, more "hellish" than the other! Sort of the "staging area" for admission to the Three Heavens....

    love this stuff....thanks for the post Fr. Raymond.

    respect,  Br. Jules



    Dr. Raymond DuRussel said:

    Yes, agreed, Fr. Jules.  Martinism is a great help in students of Mysticism to gain deep understanding.

    As such, while contemplating my post above, my all understand that the Three Heavens, are NOT the only spiritual realms.  From any one of the Three Heavens, people worthy to be placed in any one of them are no longer compelled to reincarnate.  These three realms are literally lit by the Light of God; no shadows; almost impossible to comprehend with the carnal mind.

    The OTHER realms are worlds of souls not yet worthy to inhabit one of the Three Heavens or the Three realms above.  There very presence of unworthy souls in any one of these Heavens would be a degradation of the bliss and life bring with them their unresolved issues.

    R

  • Jules Rensch August 30, 2018 at 8:55pm

    The Way of the Heart: Martinism

    https://a6c7496c6b8edbef480d-0705b9b405db079f33377f2edb79d50b.ssl.c...

     Respectfully, Brother Jules

    https://a6c7496c6b8edbef480d-0705b9b405db079f33377f2edb79d50b.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/12_armstrong.pdf
  • Michael Jon Kell August 30, 2018 at 4:06pm

    Brother Ray,

    My actual opinion is that most persons refuse to accept a fragment of God into their hearts.  As they are internally atheistic (godless within) they will commit the most dastardly of crimes against others.  They may say they believe in God or Christ, but it is not true for belief gets one no where.  If God is not in your heart, you are a spiritual atheist (not as normally understood).

    After we physically die, our astral selves eventually run out of energy for they do not have an immortal spark within.  The good machines and oppressed machines are allowed a heaven, but it never lasts.  The evil ones get what they worship and the really bad ones just disappear.

    When HSL said that only 1 out of 100,000 (plus or minus, I did a post on this a few years back) original members become a true R+C, he was actually using this as a metaphor that hardly anyone wants to accept God's gift and use it to return to Deity. Growing a soul is the most difficult thing we can work on.

    In my observation, the percentage of persons working with a soul-seed are no different in the churches, the Order, the Martinists or any other group.

    I have been called 'a very harsh teacher' by students and it is true.  If you don't see the problem you will never reincarnate and so I am loving, but I cannot be soft.

    I hope you understand, dear Friend.

    Love, Michael

  • Jules Rensch August 30, 2018 at 6:38am

    The only initiation which I advocate and which I look for with all ...

    Louis Claude de Saint-Martin
    Louis Claude de Saint-Martin Quote
    The only initiation which I advocate and which I look for with all the ardor of my Soul, is that by which we are able to enter into the Heart of God…
  • Jules Rensch August 29, 2018 at 7:24pm

    Bravo...Pure Martinism

    Michael Jon Kell said:

    George, your analogy works. Which is what counts. All of must use sensible abstractions and images to describe the world soul. None of us really know exactly, including myself and Jules teachers. We find our way to Deity with the heart and not the mind. Feel better? Michael 

  • Michael Jon Kell August 29, 2018 at 1:56pm

    George, your analogy works. Which is what counts. All of must use sensible abstractions and images to describe the world soul. None of us really know exactly, including myself and Jules teachers. We find our way to Deity with the heart and not the mind. Feel better? Michael 

  • Stephanie Dewitt August 29, 2018 at 11:02am

    Yes, that was what I felt. I pulled from the experience of darkness and light.  And I felt accountability. Yeaks

    Even there though,,,,is balance.  From yeaks to ahhhhh.

  • Michael Jon Kell August 29, 2018 at 10:49am

    Good point, Soror. When, one realizes that he or she is nothing  he or she is closer to the Eternal Plenitude. BWPP, Michael 

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