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DMT and Mysticism

Dear Fraters and Sorors,

I'd like to share with all of you the thought/concept/experience/research that DMT - the God Molecule - is ubiquitous throughout Nature and naturally resident in humans, as well as plants

I have not taken any plants/psychotropics, such as Ayahuasca or mushrooms. My experience has been that as we do mystical work our innate DMT is increased exponentially and alchemically within ourselves needing no supplementation externally via botanical elements

As we develop ourselves mystically we prepare for amazing mystical experiences without the need of imported plant/drug-induced experiences. We develop and attune with our own naturally occuring reserves of DMT (mystical potential and manifestation which occurs on physical, chemical, and mystical levels)

Ayahuasca grows in tropical/Amazonian climes as a plant ally of tribes and cultures that have evolved and enculturated WITH it. Those who have enculturated with it do not become ill when taking it in conjunction with all the rightful ritual, mystical, and shamanic work, understanding, and tradition associated with it

When Westerners and Europeans interact with Ayahuasca in attempts to jumpstart Realization/Cosmic Consciousness or to "get high" without the proper, respectful, mystical pre-preparation, such as ego examination and plant attunement, there are negative, disturbing physical and mental reactions arising, as well as ridiculous "beliefs", such as in "machine elves" and other psychotropic phenomenon

Tribal cultures who've evolved with, and been prepared since childhood, to ingest and ATTUNE with Ayahuasca for generations via a profound attunement with the plant, under the guidance of a trusted shaman/mystic don't suffer the physical/negative effects of this botanical ally

Some Westerners who've performed prolonged attunement and training with the plant/s under the direction of a shamanic mystic can injest it with mitigated physical effects

Eastern and Western mystical traditions generally - with the exception of Plant Alchemy (for pharmaceutical and "vegetable stone " results) - do not rely on ingestion of psychotropic botanical substances, but instead upon mental and physical disciplines to mitigate ego and expand mental elevation

Perhaps the Cosmic reserved these naturally occuring psychotropic botanicals for the use and co-evolution of those peoples who evolved co-dependentally with the plant realms of particular regions

For those of European, Western, and Occidental cultures...barring opium/alcohol abuse...mystical development seems to depend more on individual mystical work...perhaps because of our inherent over-development of egoic tendencies as opposed to those who evolve with less ego and more Nature-centered/Cosmic-awareness

If one follows and practices our Rosicrucian monographs, practical applications, experiments, and practices, we develop and expand our natural reserves of DMT resulting in transformative mystical experiences without the physical and mental disturbances and infirmaties, misbeliefs in absurd sidereal-psycho-effects that are experienced by the unprepared who experiment with botanicals without proper preparation

Instead, by expanding upon our own innate reserves of DMT we experience much longer lasting, life-altering Realizations than the brief, ephemeral glimpses afforded by the inexpert fumblings and dangerous experimentations with plants that we have not evolved in co-consciosness with

We shouldn't abuse plants for the purposes of "getting high" or jumpstarting Cosmic Consciousness without doing the prerequisite mystical work, these plant allies will not willingly work with us And they will make us ill and uncomfortable

An example is how Westerners, Europeans, some Asians, have abused the sacred nature of Tobacco...using it as a drug, a dalliance, rather than honoring its mystical/spiritual importance...and suffering its ill effects and resulting diseases

All things must be approached rightfully and respectfully, mindfully, and not misused or abused for personal and physical gratification

Instead, they must be honored and respected on all levels of being and manifestation with full understanding, respect, and responsibility

Peace to all 😊

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  • Hi, I'm totally new here and was just browsing the forum.  This is one of the first posts that caught my immediate attention.  I have a couple ideas to share.  Ayahuasca isn't just one plant, it's a combination of two types.  The first is an MAOI, the second contains DMT.  There are tons of plants that have these molecules.  Sage for example has DMT in it.  A typical recipe is Syrian Rue (MAOI) plus Mimosa Hostilis (DMT).  The question is why combine an MAOI with DMT.  DMT will decompose before getting into the blood system because of stomach enzymes.  The MAOI will inhibit it's digestion.  You can smoke plants that have DMT and get brief high, but for a trip it needs to sit in the blood much longer.  Also, another common source of DMT is Acacia tree, you know the one in all those egyptian hirogliphics.  There is a theory that Moses's burning bush was the Acacia and Moses was high on DMT.  Now the interesting part are the "machine elves" people commonly see in their trips.  It reminds me of when I was a punk rock anarchist kid back in high school debating with my dad about how society is a machine and we are not robots blah blah. His response was correct, take care of the machine, keep it greased and in good order, make it work for you.  Mind blown moment, stopped smashing the state.  I wonder if these trippers seeing machine elves are just visualizing what their subconcious is trying to tell them.  Stop fighting the machine, fix it if it's not working for you.  Joe Rogan for example talks alot about his machine elves and how they were scary at first, but are now friendly and joke a lot with him.  It is interesting though that second gen anti-depressants are MAOI before the SSRI was developed.  Makes you wonder if those chemist knew all along that DMT is the other half of the ingredient, but just left it out for legal reasons.  SSRI is another rabbit hole.  Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor.  It basically, delays the rate of seratonin digestion.  Kids run into the problem of mixing their anti-depressants while partying and taking MDMA.  You can suffer from seratonin syndrome.  Basically, overdose of seratonin. It can cause seisures.  The interesting thing is both MAOI and SSRI doesn't do anything to make you happy, it just helps regulate mood, keeps your brain chemicals from swinging too far out of whack.  DMT, MDMA, THC etc... they seem to be doing the work so to speak.  Now that prohabition is slowing going away, it will be interesting to see what doctors come up with that can actually cure people from depression.  But, even the doctors will say just taking the medication without cognitive behavior therapy is not going to help much.  The Andrew Huberman Podcast goes into great details on this subject.  He has dedicated multiple episodes on this stuff.  Probably, the best source of information imho.

    • Welcome, Frater Peter 🌹

    • Dear Frater Peter 

      Thank you for such an informed contribution!

      My research - not nearly as comprehensive as your own - has indicated that DMT is a very uniquitous substance found in varying quantities in just about everything.

      It's innate to the human brain to some small degree. It makes me wonder if those with a natural ability to have mystical experiences without psychotropics either have more DMT in their brain chemistry than those who don't tend toward mystical experiences?

      Your reply regarding machine elves is particularly of interest. It sparked a thought and a question...many cultures espouse a belief/superstition in elves, brownies, gnomes, the little people, etc.

      Once, many years ago at a Rosucrucian retreat in California at a Benedictine monastary, a small group of us did an impromptu meditation in the woods. At some point I opened my eyes and saw a group of about 12 small prople...about 1 1/2 to 2 feet tall standing under a tree watching us. One other Rosicrucian in the group also saw them. These wee folk didn't strike me as "machined" in any way, but more as "nature beings", gnomelike. It may be that the perception of a machine elf as opposed to a Nature elf is one of intensity of  stimulation/perception/expectation?

      Is it possible that our ancestors were seeing the same thing you and others see under the effects of Ayahuasca? 

      While I knew that two plants were combined by shamans to create the Ayahuasca experience, I didn't understand the chemistry behind the reason. Thank you for illuminating on this. Isn't it marvelous that humans and plants can so attune together that people can intuit to mix two diverse plants together to achieve a mystical experience although they didn't have a knowledge of chemistry, per se, they intuited the need to mix the two plants to achieve a result!

      The idea of a mechanistic/holographic/fractal/virtual Universe may simply be a diversity of words used to explain the same Actuality?

      It seems your father's a wise man. My mom had a mystical experience wherein it was revealed to her that Creation operated like a vast Cosmic computer. 

      Perhaps human perception is like the blind men trying to describe an elephant by touching its various parts...or glimpsing other planes of existence through a fog or "through a glass darkly"...we see,  but with limitations...

      Peace 😊 



    • I think of the machine elves per say looking more like Tron.  Especially, the MCP in Tron.  The paintings by Alex Grey is pretty consistent with what others have described.  Like the three headed face painting is nearly identical to the MCP in Tron.  Also, the name Tron as in Metatron... Or the faces you see in Aztec/Maya art.  Like they are workers keeping the machine/clock running.  As Flynn would say in the movie Tron "greetings program.".  As subroutine in your brain maybe?  A lot of parallels all over the world.  I work in AI, so things like this fascinate me greatly.

    • Hi Peter,

      I never saw the movies Tron, but get the idea you're suggesting. Perhaps the amount of DMT in one's system, be it natural or supplemented, plays a role in the psychic/visual perception of the  elf experience

      As workers keeping the machine/clock running, it's as if they're a form of elementals that operate behind the scenes

      Lots of parallels indeed! Perhaps the mental subroutine is influenced by culture and belief, but it's noticeably similar all around the world.

      AI is a fascinating subject with seeming potential for both progress and misuse. Such an interesting subject and time for you to be in AI.

      Thank you for your insights. They are much appreciated and thought-provoking.

      Peace 😊

  • Aspartame is especially dangerous for diabetics.
    We found that some physicians, who believed that they had a patient with retinopathy, in fact, had symptoms caused by Aspartame.
    Aspartame drives the blood sugar out of control. Thus diabetics may suffer acute memory loss due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are NEUROTOXIC when taken without the other amino acids necessary for a good balance.

    Treating diabetes is all about BALANCE. Especially with diabetics, the Aspartame passes the blood/brain barrier and it then deteriorates the neurons of the brain; causing various levels of brain damage, seizures, depression, manic depression, panic attacks, uncontrollable anger, and rage.

    Consumption of Aspartame causes these same symptoms in non-diabetics as well.

    Documentation and observation also reveal that thousands of children diagnosed with ADD and ADHD have had a complete turnaround in their behavior when these chemicals have been removed from their diet. So-called ‘behavior modification prescription drugs (Ritalin and others) are no longer needed. Truth be told, they were never NEEDED in the first place! Most of these children were being ‘poisoned’ on a daily basis with the very foods that were ‘better for them than sugar.’

    It is also suspected that the Aspartame in thousands of pallets of Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi consumed by men and women fighting in the Gulf War may be partially to blame for the well-known Gulf War Syndrome.

    Dr. Roberts warns that it can cause birth defects, i.e. mental retardation if taken at the time of conception and during early pregnancy.

    Children are especially at risk for neurological disorders and should NEVER be given artificial sweeteners. There are many different case histories to relate of children suffering grand mal seizures and other neurological disturbances talking about a plague of neurological diseases directly caused by the use of this deadly poison.’

    Herein lies the problem:

    There were Congressional Hearings when Aspartame was included in 100 different products and strong objection was made concerning its use. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, and still, nothing has been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets.

    Sadly, MONSANTO’S patent on Aspartame has EXPIRED!

    There are now over 5,000 products on the market that contain this deadly chemical and there will be thousands more introduced. Everybody wants a ‘piece of the Aspartame pie.’ I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of Aspartame, knows how deadly it is.

    And isn’t it ironic that MONSANTO funds, among others, the American Diabetes Association, the American Dietetic Association, and the Conference of the American College of Physicians?

    This has been recently exposed in the New York Times.

    These [organizations] cannot criticize any additives or convey their link to MONSANTO because they take money from the food industry and are required to endorse their products.

    Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote and presented a bill that would require label warnings on products containing Aspartame, especially regarding pregnant women, children, and infants. The bill would also institute independent studies on the known dangers and the problems existing in the general population regarding seizures, changes in brain chemistry, neurological changes, and behavioral symptoms.
    The bill was killed.

    It is known that the powerful drug and chemical lobbies are responsible for this, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting and uninformed public. Well, you’re Informed now!

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    • Good work with your info!!Now lets talk about Fluoride! Just as bad and maybe worse. So many things that cause us havoc. Thanks for your info!

    • Gloria, oh my gosh, yes! Flouride is nothing but an industrial waste repurposed. 

      Cities poison the water with it every day. The city water sanitation system is also not equipped to remove the prescription drugs people flush down their toilets, either. 

      So many of these toxins are making people sick, and my point was to first remove the sources of toxins from our lives and then reaccess the patient to determine if they need further treatment interventions. 

  •  I totally believe in psychedelics for various treatments. We must also ask ourselves why people are more sickly today than 30 years ago. Cancer, heart disease, autism, etc. have risen.

    People must be made keenly aware of all the endocrine disruptors that the food manufacturing companies are putting in our food. MSG is an excitotoxin (a neurotoxin that can cause seizures), and it can be deceptively labeled as "natural flavor". Who knew? 

    I will explain why Aspartame is so dangerous: When the temperature of this sweetener exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants. The methanol toxicity mimics, among other conditions, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus. Many people were diagnosed in error. Although multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, Methanol toxicity is!
    Systemic lupus has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially with Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. The victim usually does not know that Aspartame is the culprit. He or she continues its use; irritating the lupus to such a degree that it may become a life-threatening condition.
    We have seen patients with systemic lupus become asymptotic, once taken off diet sodas. If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting, pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, unexplainable depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss you probably have ASPARTAME poisoning!’ It's reversible when you stop drinking diet drinks. 

    The point in case is that healing is a multipronged approach that involves the whole body. Diet, lifestyle, meditation, and exercise, in addition to potential psychedelic treatment programs. 

    We all live in a toxic world and our bodies are constantly bombarded with toxicity from the soil, water, food, and air. We make the best choices we can and do our best, and one may ask what else can we do? The answer is regular cleanses. liver cleanses, kidney cleanses, juicing, exercise, drinking clean water, and cleansing our minds through meditation. 


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